A Generic Analysis of Network Marketing/MLM Companies
During past few years, I’ve come across several network marketing companies. I’ve seen Amway, Modicare and recently QuestNet (GoldQuest) from close angles. I’ve also attended presentations by around 6 other network marketing/MLM companies, names of which I do not remember. I never cared to enroll into any of them, but have been following the developments and their business models out of curiosity.
In this post, I am presenting my general observations about MLM companies. These are not targeted to any specific company (not yet) and there can be some exceptions/ differences/ deviations w.r.t. some companies. Expect some more posts of this kind in near future.
General observations about Multi Level/ network marketing companies
1. No MLM/Network marketing company wishes to identify itself as MLM/NM company
There’s a saying- "if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it IS a duck". But despite having all characters of a MLM/pyramid scheme/binary compensation/chain membership plans, no network marketing company wishes to call itself as such.
2. Products are for namesake. Main job is to enroll more members
Most of these companies use products as a cover for their chain membership scheme. Products are for namesake. Main objective is to find new prospects and make them enroll under you. They don’t care if you’re a PHD, MBA, MBBS or uneducated or whatever- just hunt for new prospects and sign them up-that is the one and only task for everyone involved…
3. Products are always overpriced.
Networking companies claim to save lot of money because of direct selling, otherwise spent on various distribution levels in conventional marketing (wholesaler, distributor etc). However, in all cases their product is priced several times their market value. (An Amway toothpaste costs 10 times Pepsodent or Colgate, a GoldQuest coin is priced 5 times its market value and so on) if only they can sell a conventional product for few rupees less than their market price, they can make regular shop keepers a run for their money. But MLM companies always need to charge huge premium for their products, because that is one of the ways how members will be forced to pump money into the company. But this huge price difference is often covered up with terms like “High Quality of the product”, “Numismatic value of the coin”, “investment towards Business opportunity” etc.
4. Products are manufactured by some other company
Despite being in business for years, most of MLM companies do not make an attempt to set up their own factories and manufacture something. The product they sell are often manufactured by some other company.
5. Products may not sell on their own in open market
Other than being overpriced, most of the products are unconventional/unique that no one would ever buy them in open market, at least not at the price they are sold in MLM.
6. Network Market Companies never make an attempt to get listed in any stock exchanges.
Getting listed would solicit a thorough examination of company fundamentals and operations by Regulators like SEBI and investor community in general, something any network marketing company may not prefer. Also why would they need to lift money from market as members are continuously pumping their money into the company? (Amway is an exception)
7. Network marketing companies do not make any attempt to build physical assets.
Any company usually tries to build some physical assets over a period of time (such as land, buildings etc) For example, if IT boom crashes (god forbid) companies like Infosys can still survive because the value of land and building they own itself is worth several millions which can be leveraged to move on to some other business or compensate the stakeholders to some extent. But most of the network marketing companies keep their physical presence/assets to minimum. Usually one website and few rented offices in some cities. That’s all. You may call it cost cutting but this given them a unique advantage- One fine day if promoters decide to close the business and vanish, it doesn’t take more than 5 minutes for them to shutdown the website, erase all data and escape to some country from where it will be near impossible for police to trace, extradite and trial them. (Live example: QuestNet was banned in Srilanka recently and they silently have opened a new company called Lotus Marketing and started selling same old QN products.-Details)
8. Network marketing companies never spend a single rupee on its members
If you join a software company as a trainee/fresher, company spends a considerable amount on you before you could be effectively used to generate revenue for the company. (trainings, salary during training and bench period etc). Even in other industries there’s the concept of apprentice period. But network marketing companies never invest a single rupee on its members. Right from Day 1 a new member starts pumping money into the company, only a small fraction of which is re distributed as referral commission to people higher up in the chain.
Training if any, is given by senior members on one sole objective- how to find new new prospects and make them enroll for membership.
Expenditure if any will be on promotional activities like arranging a presentation in a posh hotel and in hiring lawyers who can take care of legal formalities.
9. No territorial protection
Conventionally, when you take a dealership or distributorship (let us say of Bajaj Bikes or Maruthi Cars) the parent company agrees with a contractual obligation that they will not appoint any other dealer in your territory. In other words, you’re protected against loss of business that can happen if another dealer opens branch in your territory and takes away your customers. But no such protections (restricting member count etc) in network marketing. No cap, no limitations-there can be two dozen members in your street alone-you may not be able to expand your business under such circumstances as saturation is reached very soon (if there’re already 20 Hero Honda showrooms in your locality does it make sense to open one more?)
10. You never get loan to join a MLM company.
If you want to buy anything- say a motorbike for 40k, a mobile for 20k or anything- or if you want to start any business (say a factory) you can avail loan from banks (I am referring to Vehicle loans and Consume loans, not personal loans) and finance corporations by giving that product as collateral. In fact many popular industrial houses come up with their own finance arms in long run (Bajaj has Bajaj Auto Finance, Mahindra has Mahindra Finance and so on). But no financier will fund you if you want to join a MLM business (you can of course take a personal loan during which purpose of taking loan is not asked). If MLM companies are so confident about their business model why can’t they launch their own finance arm? Or at least have a tie up with some banks who would loan the prospects keeping their membership as security? Give people loan to join the business, let them repay when they make money from the business, charge high interest if you wish. (If a member doesn’t make enough money to repay the loan confiscate his membership and release him from the chain) Trust me- No MLM company will ever do that.
12. New members are discouraged to speak about company in front of prospects
Anyone who is promoting a MLM (You can randomly call few numbers listed in classified section of a newspaper under work from home/part time job/business opportunity section), will never reveal the name of the company or initial investment needed etc in first discussion. All they’ll say is “come to the presentation”. Topliners instruct new recruits not to do the canvassing themselves and just bring them to presentations. This is because of following reasons-First, If the name is revealed, chances are that prospect will do some googling and find out lots of negative reviews and may never turn up for presentation. Second, a new joinee will never be able to effectively brainwash a prospect over phone. That needs to be done in a closed room, in a systematic way by a trained person. The basis statement “I’ve signed up for this membership by paying 35k, now I need to enroll more and more people under me to get my money back, I am looking for people who can cough 35k and sign up and keep bringing more and more people” is conveyed in a totally different manner so as to give prospect an impression that it is a lifetime opportunity for him to join and make a fortune.
13. The Pepsi example-
Most of them say “See you pay 10 rs for a pepsi whose manufacturing cost is Rs 1”. What’s wrong in our company collecting more money? (i.e. "Pepsi is looting you to the tune of 9 Rs every time you buy a bottle, why don't you give us a chance of looting you to the tune of 25k?") Here’s a major difference- If I drink pepsi or watch a movie that is one time purchase- if I don’t like it without any hesitation I can tell my friends not to go for it, because I have no monetary interest in it. But once you join a MLM you always have to fake things. If you say “I couldn’t enroll a single member in past 2 months and struggling to get my money back” no one will sign up under you. You’ll have to fake it “I am making lot of money in this business, why don’t you also join and get benefited”. Because there’s no exit option, only way you can make money is by bringing in more members, which is not possible to achieve if you’re honest. Deception starts the moment you join. All their training materials are geared up to induce a false confidence in people that they are doing some great service. Those who do not believe in the scheme and refuse to sign up are branded as loosers. I’ve seen people claim in public that the potential for this business is unlimited, while in front of their mentor they cry that they are not finding any new prospects. The idea given by the mentor was this- “log in into your company’s employee database, find people sharing your surname or hailing from your state, send some mails to them and make friends with them and then bring them to my presentation” Deception starts with self and spreads to friends and relatives and eventually to society and nation.
People involved in MLM are often encouraged to use the resources (like phone and internet) as well as contacts (colleagues, business contacts etc) available at their work place to grow the MLM chain.
14. No exit option
Few companies give an one time cancellation option (say 30 days from sign up ) After that there’s no exit option. No Plan B what so ever. GoldQuest was banned in Srilanka recently- did the new joinees got any compensation? No. Because of this, the same people who are loosing their money to make the MLM company rich stand up in support of their company. Their only hope of making some money is by bringing in more people who can pour even greater money into the company. naturally they resist any attempt to shut down the company, even if they know what they are earning is a negligible fraction of the amount flowing into company account.
15. The experience doesn’t count
If you work in any other job- as a mechanic, engineer, lawyer, accountant etc, every year you spend working adds to your experience and increases your market value. If you spend couple of years working full time for a network marketing company and then try to join some other company, those few years are not considered as experience by any company.
16. One task- So many names.
The one and only job for you once you join a MLM is to hunt for new prospect and make them enroll as recruits (or business partner or member or distributor or whatever term used in specific to company) Each and every initiative/program/effort is focused on this one task. The term Hard work, be your own boss, part time effort, belief in yourself, helping others, everything boils down to one thing- find a new person and sign him up. Your skills, experience nothing counts. All that count is how good you are in expanding the chain. All training is concentrated in brainwashing you to make you believe that the business is legitimate and you’re actually helping others by enrolling them into the scheme
17. The employer example:
Some give the following example to give an impression that your employer is cheating you by paying you only a fraction of what you earned for him: They say “you work 9 hours for your company wherein you’re paid a small salary but your CEO earns several times that from your effort- Don’t you think our MLM business is better”
But here is the difference in working for an employer for a salary and working under a MLM business:
When a company hires you, you’re hired for a specific skillset (say .Net programming), after thoroughly evaluating you against several other job aspirants with similar skills. You’re not required to pay anything to join and in many cases company spends some money in training you etc. After that, your task is to focus on your work (programming in .Net) and converting that work into real money is your employer’s headache (finding a customer who is willing to buy that code etc). Even when your employer is unable to encash your skills (say you’re on bench) you are paid a salary and several other benefits. Everyday you spend in office adds to your experience, increases your market value and enhances your skillset. You don’t have to hunt for new people and enroll them under you to get your salary. If you have a job, however small or big it is, you get some basic recognition/respect in society.
Now compare that with a MLM Chain membership scheme-Any tom Dick and Harry who can pay the registration fee can join the MLM scheme. No limit on number of sign ups, no selection criteria. Right from Day one, you start pumping money into the company and company doesn’t spend a single rupee on you. If you have to earn you have to pump more money into the system, by signing up more people under you. The MLM company’s only job is this- for every 100 Rupee you give them, they keep 60 Rs and re distribute 40 Rs to you and your upliners. Your work doesn’t command any recognition outside. You earn only when your chain keeps growing and cash inflow is sustained.
To sum up, when you work for your employer, you invest you time and effort/skill, which your employer converts into real money and gives you a salary. In MLM, you invest time, effort and money (of yours and your downliners), MLM company simply collects the cash and gives back a small part of it as commission.
18. Some people do make money
Some people indeed make money through this. Especially who joined the chain early or those who could canvass a huge number of people to enroll under them. It is the success stories of these people that is shown to new comers to motivate them. Those who join late often never manage to recover their money. No cash flows into MLM from outside. Even when you earn money, it is only a small fraction of the amount you and your subordinates pumped into the system. Assume there are 20 people under you- now calculate total money pumped into the company by all of you and net value of goods/commissions received. Since it is your money, no company will have any problem giving back a small fraction of it to you…
19. Poverty should have been eliminated by now
If the earning potential of millions of rupees had been realised we should be seeing hundreds of millionaires around us by now. Still we hardly see people who made it big through MLM.
Personal analysis and observations only. Statements are generic to MLM business in general-some companies might take some exception w.r.t. certain observations. Correct me if I am wrong. Feel free to comment and criticize me- but use decent language and support your statement with appropriate reasoning or evidence.
MLM Must reads: What's wrong with MLM ?* 10 Big lies of MLM * Amway Inside story- Merchants of Deception * Questnet reopens as Lotus Marketing in Srilanka | 12 Reasons why MLM companies go bad
P.S. I am thankful to my room mates Sid and Saurabh who are heavily into this but have not forced me to join the same.
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53 comments:
Good stuff Srinidhi. I really like the way you have analysed all the aspects of mlm/nm business.
It is very true that the so called intelligent people [IT folks] are getting trapped to these kind of schemes. Even I have spoken to a number of members so far and planning to write about it soon on my blog. one thing for sure, your points will give a new direction and thought for people before enrolling to such unethical business practices.
Keep writing more on such stuff.
when Insurance industry is making so much money and people have accepted to get something after they DIE.
I would appreciate if you do an analysis for Insurance industry also.
Good Work...eNidhi
I myself have lost a couple of thousand rupees in this schemes..
Also what do you think of Personality development places like Landmark which is similar in nature...and money doubling business.
As for the Insurance Companies referred in the comment above I think we have too much of Insurance company ads nowadays..can you also take that topic
@Mohan
Thanks for the support.
@ Anonymous
I do not see any major problem with insurance industry making profit-They take a calculated risk (one can afford to pay a small premium in exchange of an assurance that if something goes wrong his loses are taken care of.)
If you are sure your family can manage without any financial aid after your death you dont have to take insurance..
Explain what do you find wrong in insurance business...
Nitin: Regrets that you lost money. Give me some more details of the personality development things u are referring to...let me see what I can do
Insurance thing already explained.
Srinidhi,
very good analysis and very well expressed. I shall fwd this link to few of my friends who are into this NM.
Thanks,
Puru
Hi Puru,
Thanks
Hi Srinidhi,
I didcovered ur blog recently.... Good work..Keep it up...
i lost 3 friends to Amway. they were nice friends.... one day they pitched Amway to me, i tried to show that the odds of my making money is low, so i want to stay out. they pestered me to attend "presentations" and see for myself how successful Amway people are. i finally stopped talking to them because amway is all they talked about.
Great work Srinidhi, can you please write about individual company so that it helps us to distinguish between genuine and fakes or schemes and real businesses!!
hey srinidhi are u moving out of chennai shortly or have found a alternative staying accomodation?
@ Anon:
Thanks for sharing that experience
@ Praneeth: Will try to analyse MLM companies one by one.. It may take time though..
@Sayak:
I've mailed you all regarding that.
Brilliant post. Found it via Desipundit. Your analysis hits the nail on the head. I've been to a couple of MLM—or whatever they may choose to call themselves—presentations, and the outright hypocrisy and plain cheating just surprised me.
The mainstream media is usually blissfully unaware of this malaise and it's good that you brought this topic under the scanner.
hi sri,
Very nice post,
Also do check up RCM, what are your views on the same.. it seems like the poor man's Amway.
rgds,
satish
In my opinion, the whole concept of MLM is dubious and I think that they prey on the greed of people.
I have zero respect for Amway or any other MLM company. I would rather beg on the streets than work for any such company.
I suggest all to read book by Robert Kiyosaki called Business school.
(Robert Kiyosaki is a famous author of the book Rich dad poor dad)
Good work boss!! Really nice analysis...Thank u...
@Nazim Khan:
Thanks for the comment...
Satish:
I'll try to find out more about RCM. Share any info you may have about it please
Hari: Thanks for the comment and sharing your views.
Praneeth: I've read Rich Dad Poor dad but not the one you mentioned... Will check it asap. Any particular story/extract you want to refer to please share it..
Sarath: Thanks
Srinidhi,
Very good analyis. Check this out too http://geekstimeout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=256
hemanth:
Thanks.. Will check that thread...
This is a really good article. I'm in America and it's pretty prevalent here too, but what's surprising is that most of the speakers or the ones at the top of the chain are Americans while a lot of the people at the bottom of the chain are Indians. I have never seen a demographic more attracted to this phenomenon, than us. One of our good friends is into quixtar big time and we use similar reasoning to convince him why he cannot become rich and retire with this strategy in the next few years. Even though it's been a few years, he still isn't anywhere close to becoming millionaire. Besides he spent hours and hours on a daily basis with their meetings, listening to their motivational tapes, and reading their books. That's another revenue stream of the company...the motivational books and tapes that they sell.
Have you seen the dateline show on this whole MLM companies they aired a couple of years back?
Apple Bee, I have not seen the dateline show... WHat is that?
Thanks.
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swan said:
Mar 13, 2008 06:45 PM
I have no indepth knowledge of network companies as such though knowledge imparted by you is quite sufficient..
But have a real indepth knowledge of Amway agents sorry if there is anybody around but shudders,I came across at least 10 of them first two times I was listening other 8 times I was looking for the nearest escape :D
I find these agents are more intrested in getting a new agency rather than selling the products
gr8 revu
Swati
enidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 06:56 PM
Yes Swati, as I said, enrolling new members is their primary objective...
MLM schemes reach saturation very fast and after a point is becomes really frustrating for everyone involved...
shriramsrinivasa said:
Mar 13, 2008 07:11 PM
Hi Srinidhi,
Its a beautiful write up. It sure would create awarness to many about the way the MLMs function. Anybody wants to escape the tortures of the MLM people can use this review to cross question them...Sure they wont have answers to many of them....
Regards
Shriram
Editenidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 07:16 PM
Thanks Sriram
sandy06 said:
Mar 13, 2008 07:32 PM
good review, got to learn something, many people get carried away without getting into details
angel25 said:
Mar 13, 2008 07:59 PM
Nidhi,
Always beware, there are no ’get rich quick’ schemes anyway that are worth it!
Cheers
Veekey said:
Mar 13, 2008 08:07 PM
Hi Shri,
Zero knowledge and nil interest but useful for few I know...Link already sent. :)
Vee
Kweldebs said:
Mar 13, 2008 08:15 PM
I had an opprtunity to know one of the MLMs closely. What I found, one can earn money if they plan their chain properly & can earn quick buck. Not all products are useless, there are couple of good household items available through such concept. Little costly though!!
Editenidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 09:19 PM
@Sandy...
Thanks.
enidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 09:20 PM
@ Angel25
Yes I understand...
There’s no shortcut to success...
Nidhi
Editenidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 09:21 PM
@ Vee
Thanks.
enidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 09:23 PM
@ Debs
Well, you’ll earn properly only if you can find hundreds of people to join under you... and what you earn is from the pockets of those people joining under you...
Some products might be good.. I dont deny that...
davon said:
Mar 13, 2008 09:24 PM
Well analysed and written article. The article throws clear light on the MLM Companies
enidhi said:
Mar 13, 2008 09:35 PM
@Davon
Thanks
veganman said:
Mar 14, 2008 03:20 PM
Hi Enidhi, my comments on your review in one word - EXCELLENT. Keep up the good work
Nice Work Sri ... I couldnt stop reading till the end even though was busy in office.
Sent the link to ur article to all my friends too.
Thanks Sudhir
HI,
excellent post on MLM & 'Scamway' oops i meant amway.
I had wasted 3 weeks of my life on this opportunity, but better late than sorry
few tips on this particular mlm
i. they r tanked in the US
ii. thei r main market is asia( india & china in particular) whereina large middle class exists
iii. they were banned in china when the chairaman of amway meet with chinese govt & 'smoothened things out'
iv. worst of all they train to the fact that those who dont join u r against ur success and couvertly suggest to 'break free' from friends/relatives even spouses that 'dont see the opportunity', eventually members will not have any connection(read social life) with those that are 'not in the circuit'
v. the upline has to be treated on par with god. no questions to be asked ever
for more info chk out
http://www.rickross.com/groups/amway.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/amway/amway23.html
mlmsurvivor.com
thanks
Hi.
Well said...
Read my new post on Amway for detailed analysis of the same.
Thanks.
Nidhi
Most of your "analysis" of Network Marketing comes off as VERY ignorant to what MLM is.
First of all, your trying to compare a home based network marketing business to a traditional business model. What sense does that make? ITS CALLED A HOME BASED BUSINESS! Why would a MLM company need more than a manufacturing facility and a office for the owners of the company if all of its distributors are WORKING OUT OF THEIR HOMES? are you kidding me? Then you ask why people can't get loans to join a MLM company... wow.... it may be because its illegal... or MAYBE BECAUSE IN MOST CASES COSTS LESS THAN $200 DOLLARS TO GET STARTED. And most times it costs about $35 dollars to become a member, then you are obviously advised to purchase product. So my question is: Why would you need a loan to purchase something that costs less than $200? If you cant afford $200 to purchase something that could change your life, then whatever "program" your on obviously isnt working out for you.
35k to get involved? what company are you looking at?
Then you say new members are discouraged to talk about the company in front of prospects... lol. who are you? Do you seriously expect new members of a MLM company to realistically be able to tell one of their friends or family members what they are involved in without a.) making alot of mistakes and b.)telling what the company is about in a way that makes sense? Thats why there are CD's and presentations. In order to remove yourself from the spotlight and let someone more EDUCATED ON THE BUSINESS DO THE TALKING...wow..
Your "pepsi" example is mind blowing to me. No respectable MLM company would ever tell its distributors to "fake" making money in their first 2 months. First of all, since your comparing a MLM to a traditional business now, how long does it take a start up company to start seeing a profit from their business? Most companies dont start seeing any type of profit in their business until after a year, IF they arent already out of business by then. 95% of traditional businesses go out of business within the first 5 years of starting, and yet when people get involved in MLM they expect to make $10,000 in their first 2 months... what sense does that make?
A scheme? brainwashed? No, the scheme was when I went to school for 22 years and got "brainwashed" to learn how to work for someone else for the next 40 years, then when i retire, live off of a fraction of what I was making at my job, which in most people's cases wasn't enough in the first place.
THE PURPOSE OF A LEGITIMATE MLM COMPANY IS TO MOVE PRODUCTS. OF COURSE we're always looking for prospects. If you have a company with products people like, I.E MaryKay, Avon ect. , then there isn't a problem. Now, of course there are companies that have bad, over priced products. its YOUR job to do the research on your company and separate the good from the bad.
and finally, so many people get involved with MLM and after about a week, after the people they thought would see the oppurtunity didnt, get discouraged. They don't do what it takes to become sucessful,so they say "THIS IS A SCAM! IM OUTRAGED!" No, it didnt work because you talked to 5 people and when it got hard, when they didnt see what you saw, you quit, just like anyone else in any other kind of profession would. The purpose of taking prereq classes at a business school is to "weed out" the non serious students so they can work with the serious students. They dont just let "average joes" become doctors. They have to study for years before they become one. so of COURSE you have to work on your skills. OF COURSE you have to have some thick skin, because there's always going to be people like you who just dont get it.
I could go on, but those were the main things that popped out to me as particularly ignorant. Take it easy.
Replies for each of your paragraphs:
It may take just 35$ to get started, but how much one would end up pumping into the system before he starts earning a profit (above his expenses)?About the loan- it is not being able to afford or not afford. MLM survives on idea that new members keep joining, continously pumping in money. Even if a part of this money was to be funded by the organization, the entire system will collapse
35K I was referring to QuestNet.
Explain me this-Why members hide the real name of the business (Amway, QN etc) and try to lure people into presentation under false pretexts? Even the educational CDs state the same- avoid revealing the name of the company.
Unlike other start ups, MLM thrive on the idea that new recruits continue to join and money keeps flowing in, a part of which is redistributed among upliners. One fineday if the chain stops,(may be company is banned, may be saturation is reached etc) more than 50% people, bottommost in the chain will be losing their money- explain how will the MLM company compensate them?
Well, in that case, the MLM/Nm should have produced hundreds of millionairs in our society by now...Why is that we hardly see any?
OK.
Basically, unless you can fool few hundred people to join, you cant make any money
Dude, i usually dont respond to blogs or posts like this but in this case your opinions and your "analysis" is so far off that its crazy. I think its irresponsible of you to even write something like this without doing any real research.
First of all you could simply type in "Network Marketing" on google and find many articles that SUPPORT network marketing. People like Donald Trump (I've read that he is ctually on the board of a MLM company), Warren Buffet (he OWNS 3 MLM companies...why would one of the richest men on the planet OWN 3 MLM companies if they were a "scam"?, Robert Kiyosaki,Robert Allen, andMark Victor Hansen have ALL talked about how Network Marketing is a GREAT way for the average person to become a millionaire. I supposed they are all scam artists, as well? Maybe they are all "brainwashed" and in one of the MLM cults you were talking about (if they are... i need to get in that cult ASAP)
As for your claim that "unless you can fol a few hundred people to join, you cant make any money"... that couldny be further from the truth. I've met literally DOZENS of people in MLM that havent signed up any more than about 30 people and are making more money than most people make in a year. As a matter of fact, Dexter Yager, a distributor in Amway (the company you did your "research" on) has said publicly that he has only signed up 44-45 people in 22 years of being involved with MLM. Last I checked over 2/3rds of Amways revenue comes directly from his organization.
While im not a Millionaire in MLM (i havent been involved that long, but i've done alot of research) im stil making good money, especially for it not even being my first year active in MLM. People in my company that i've personally met and know pretty well are making substantial incomes, including my direct sponsor who is making a crazy amount of income. It depends on HOW SKILLED YOU ARE AND HOW HARD YOU WANT TO WORK IN ORDER TO GET THE INCOME YOU WANT. Most people who get involved with MLM expect to put in alittle amount of effort to get a big reward, and thats not the way it works.
Over the past 5 years 32% of the worlds millionaires have been created by homebased businesses. That's an actual statistic. look that up the next time you do some more research.
I dont even understand what you were saying when you talk about "what happens if the company gets 'banned' or the market saturates, then how do the distributors get compensated?... Really? What happens when "Joe" from michigan starts up a coffee shop in Detroit and a year from then he has to shut down his shop because he wasnt getting any business? Does he get compensated for all the money he puts into it, or does he lose money?
I have been looking at different MLM companies for a long time deciding which one would be the best for me and not ONCE have i came across a company who hides its name on the CD, I know my company doesnt do that. As a matter of fact it says the words "Network Marketing" right on the CD. The only sense what you just said would make is if you were looking at a company like Amway(which is exactly what you did), thats been in business for a long time. I wouldn't want my company name right on the front either. Who DOESNT know about Amway? they probably dont want people to prejudge the oppurtunity before they see how it works and say no it. That wouldnt make great business sense, in my opinion.
I dont know much about the other companies you mentioned, but if they are anything like Amway then thats a big problem. First of all, Amway was one of the first Network Marketing companies. As a result, its EXTREMELY difficult to make any money in Amway, especially since its such an old company. Amway isn't even a true "Multi Level" because you dont really get paid Multiple levels. Amway has a break away system. over 70% of MLM companies today have a UNILEVEL compensation plan, which pays MUCH better than a break away would.
Again, its the PERSONS decision on which company to join. YOU have to make that move. Its your responsibility to pick the company that offers you a good product, has a strong management team, and HAS A GOOD COMPENSATION PLAN before you decide to go into business for yourself. OF COURSE there are bad MLM companies out there, just like there are bad TRADITIONAL businesses out there.
Finally... your loan comment is still completely irrelevent to me. The overhead of a MLM company is $200 a month max, maybe alittle more if you choose to purchase CDs or Brocheres or whatever. I want you to TRY to find a traditional business that only has an overhead of $200. You would get laughed at.
Gentleman,
While you’re free to air your opinion and chose not to respond to my posts, I am sure what I wrote made sense to many.
It is very much true that those who started a MLM company made huge amount of money. Because they are not declared illegal in most countries people are convinced that they are legal. Founders and early members do make a fortune of it, only from the money sucked from the downliners, who keep pumping in money chasing a nonexistent financial freedom. My concern is about those at near bottom of the chain, who entered recently when membership is near saturation and struggling to recover money. Your words- “how skilled you” and “how hard you work”- both translate into one simple thing-how good you are in hunting for new prospects, sell them dreams and signing them up.
Dexter Yager minted money by selling motivational stuff (the tool-CDs, books, tapes etc full of training material) to the new distributors and not by using Amway products. Not everyone can sell tools and make money. Read Merchants of deception for details.
Well, there’re many which qualify as home based business but need not be MLM/NM. For example, Michal Dell’s initial days- assembling PC in his dorm can be called a home based business but that is not MLM. So don’t mix both. Check a simple stat- how many million Amway members are there in India and what percentage of them are diamonds.
Traditional business can be covered under insurance which can compensate certain losses. Let me know if any insurance company is willing to cover MLM business.
A tele-caller trying to sell credit card won’t have problem revealing name of credit card issuing Bank, however prejudiced people are against the unsolicited credit card calls. Why a MLM/NM company should hesitate to be proud of its identity and try to push products and membership under cover? If their product/service is good and price is economical they should be able to come out clean, more so since they are in business for decades. Let me know which company you’ve become a member of.
Ok, but you have to admit-at any point, in any NM/MLM company there’ll be more than 50% members, at the bottom, who wouldn’t have made a penny out of their investment. In order to get money out of their investment they need to bring some more people and ensure that a significant amount of money is pumped into the system. No traditional business is this demanding.
IT may sound irrelevant to you, I can’t help it. The truth is, a MLM/NM company would collapse, if it has to spend some money on its members.
I don’t expect you to get convinced by these, as you don’t seem to be willing to consider the darker side of it. Can’t help much. All the best.
Well, its pretty obvious that it doesnt really matter what we say, both of us are going to keep our opinions, which is fine.
Actually i responded to each and every thing that you said in all of your posts, I think you just pick and choose what to read based on what you feel you can actually have some kind of response on.
Both of my IMMEDIATE upline business partners were six figure earners in companies that were very old. One came from a company that was 10 years old, the other company was 25 years old, so that statement that only people who get in early can make money doesnt make any sense to me.
Network Marketing has been around for 60 years. It is a 130 billion dollar industry worldwide. It has created more millionaires than any other industry on the planet other than real estate. 32% of the worlds millionaires over the last 5years were created from homebased businesses. Those are just the facts.
Like i said in the last post, there 2 BILLIONAIRES and many MULTI MILLIONAIRES that have a lifetime of business experience and intelligence who say Network Marketing is the best way for the average person to create wealth. Some of which are, or have been, involved with a MLM company. How you can look over that is mind blowing to me, but to each his own.
Dexter Yager makes most of his money from CDs NOW, but he still makes BANK from being a distributor. Like i said: 2/3rds of the company is in his downline. Second, i highly doubt he's still an active distributor who sponsors people and helps other people sponsor directly, so it would only make sense that he gets most of his money from CDs now. Thats his main focus.
Check the stats on how many people are diamonds in Amway? I just got done telling you that its extremely hard to make money in Amway. i'm not going to repeat why in this post, but i already stated that. I dont need to check stats to know that you cant make much money in Amway. the odds of getting to the top of the comp plan in that company are extremely low.
Ya, insurance companies can compensate CERTAIN losses. not all. The money you lose from a MLM company if you fail and the money you lose from a traditional business if you fail can't even compare. I know people who buy a pair of jeans every month that cost the exact same as the overhead of most MLM companies. You probably couldn't even pay your light bill for what it costs to operate a MLM company in a traditional business. I'm just failing to understand why you would think an insurance company would need to cover a cost like that, ESPECIALLY since at anytime a person can easily get out of a MLM company. Its not like they are FORCED to continue to buy product or buy CDs. In a traditional business you are prety much FORCED to stick it out with your business until you know for a fact that you cant make money. Someone could join a MLM company today, quit tomorrow and not think twice about it. Explain to me why an insurance company would want to cover that?
Your absolutley right about how MLM companies should be proud of the product they sell and should tell people straight up that they are, infact, a MLM company.And thats exactly why they do, atleast the one's that I'm aware of. Like i said, my company has "NETWORK MARKETING" right on the CD's and magazines that we sell. I have no problem at all telling someone i'm with a Network Marketing company.
Of course there will be 50% of people at the bottom who don't make money. Actually the figure is 70% (atleast in the wellness sector that I'm more familar with). 70% of people who get involved with a MLM company dont join to work a business. They join to strictly use the product they sell. Out of the other 30%, 17% actually get serious about building the business. out of that, about 3-5% percent of those people earn the BIG six-seven figure incomes. That 3-5% success rate is actually constant with the percentage of Traditional businesses that make it past the 5 year mark, which, coincidentally is exactly how long it would take a person who consistantly builds a MLM business to earn that BIG income.
AND YES, THE POINT OF A NETWORK MARKETING COMPANY IS TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO THE BUSINESS. THATS HOW YOU CREATE VOLUME IN YOUR ORGANIZATION. THE ONLY WAY ANY KIND OF BUSINESS CAN FUNCTION IS IF PEOPLE ARE BUYING THE PRODUCT THE BUSINESS IS SELLING.... wow... i want you to name me one legitimate business that has succeeded without people purchasing the product it was selling. The WHOLE POINT is to get people to purchase your product. The difference in a MLM company is the distributors who do the best at FINDING those people and HELPING them build their business get the most money.
And no, in a MLM business its not about finding all of those people by yourself. I would rather sponsor about 10 people and teach them how to sponsor 10 people and so on and so on than to sponsor 150 people and try to do the same. First of all there would be no way possible to work with all of those people effectively. Most of those people would drop out just as fast as i got them in to the business. Second of all it wouldnt even make sense to sponsor all of those people because (and i think this is what most people dont seem to understand about how most comp plans are designed) YOU DONT GET PAID BIG MONEY FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU PERSONALLY SPONSOR. you get paid the long term residul income by helping the people you bring in sponsor people, and so on and so on. Thats why in ALL of the comp plans i've seen, it says find 3-5 people would will build the business to get to the top of the pay plan. It doesnt say anything about sponsoring 100+.
I have no idea what your talking about in your last sentence, so...
A darkside of the business? No i dont see that. The business model is actually very simple. The fact of the matter is most people are just too lazy, scared, or conformed to work a MLM effectively. As i said before, there are some bad MLM companies out there, just as there are bad traditional businesses. Your job as a business owner is to do your research and find a company that is good for you and has a good product, good leadership, and has a fair compensation plan.
And no, I'm not really writing this for you. I already know there is no way you would look at what i just wrote without any bias. I'm writing it for anyone else who may be reading this blog and looking at the comments so they can understand that MLM is a legitimate business. But understand that if you get involved with a MLM company and you want to make some serious money, do your reserach and find the company thats right for you first. Don't just jump into a company without knowing too much about it. And remember that it isnt going to be easy, ESPECIALLY not in the first year. But if you have good upline support, you stay CONSISTANT and you continue to grow as a person, then your success in the company is gaurenteed.
Tell me which of your points I have not responded so far..?
You’ve not yet disclosed the name of the network marketing company you are associated with. Please share with us name of this great company...
You yourself have admitted that Amway has reached saturation and it is extremely hard to make money in Amway… What makes you think your company will go on sine die? Any NM company will reach a kind of Saturation over a period of time. It can’t go on infinitely… Get hold of an Amway person-he would argue why Amway is the best and other NM/MLM companies are useless… We can go on arguing forever, I don’t feel a need for that.
Rest of your comments boil down to one point- If you need to earn Rs 5 you need to ensure that Rs 100 is pumped into the company by yourself and your down liners…If you can’t get them Rs 100, you won’t get Rs 5…Working hard, working consistently everything means the same-ensure that a huge amount is pumped into the system, you’ll get a small fraction of it. No other skills, expertise matter-just bring hard cash. Simple enough- but think of the total money you extracted from your friends and relatives and gave to company before dreaming of the small fraction you would get in return.
i've read all that you wrote, no doubt that the points enlighted by you are real and true to some extent ...i say this because all the companies are not going the same..but what i need to ask is that is starting mlm company totaly a negative and ilegal thing?
if its than why is the european goverment which is 100 times advanced than india goverment in everysense has allowed such companies to run and promote business in every possible field?
You didn't respond to any of the MLM facts that i told you, and the things you did choose to respond to made no kind of sense once you actually take the time and think about what you wrote.
I'm not here to advertise my company. I'm here to talk about how ignorant your post was.
I didn't say anything about Amway reaching saturation being the reason people can't make money. I said people dont make money in Amway because the compensation plan is garbage. I said that Amway was one of the first network marketing companies, so obviously they are going to make mistakes on the compensation plan. I also said that 70% of MLM companies now use a unilevel compensation plan, which pays out MUCH better than a breakaway comp plan like Amways.
And the idea of market saturation is overrated, too. the legal age of when you can join a MLM company is 18, so that means every year there is a whole new group of people who can join a MLM company that couldnt last year. Paint a mental picture: I'm sure you have a cell phone right now,and i'm sure you have a TV. In that same respect, you can be sure that most Americans can say the same thing. If market saturation really existed then why do both of these markets continue to thrive? Its because A.) There are new people every year buying new phones and TVs, and B.) The companys come out with newer and better products, which just the same for a MLM company thats been around for a while.
As for your final paragraph....I dont really see where you were going with that, but as far as the only thing that matters is "bringing in hard cash".... at the end of the day isnt that what any business is about? If your a car salesmen the only that that really matters at the end of the day is how many cars you sell. If your not selling cars, not only do you not get your commision (**which would only be a fraction of the actual cost of the car**), but you'll most likely end up getting fired from your job (which is the same for any sales company). The people who have the best communication and people skills at the end of the day make the money. So my question is: Why are you expecting MLM to be any different? is it because you dont have to go to school to become a network marketer? What is it?
This "dragging your friends and relatives" business is complete garbage to me. First of all if your friends and relatives dont want to get involved, they dont have to. Its the network marketers who nag, beg, and bug their friends and relatives to get into the business that give MLM a bad name as it is. Of course your going to ask those people at first, it's the first logcial step to ask people you are close with first. But, unless you have some really sharp friends, thats only going to get you so far. Skill and strategy are going to have to kick in when your done talking to your friends and relatives. Your going to have to go outside of your comfort zone and talk to QUALIFIED PEOPLE in order to be successful.
If someone doesn't want to talk to people they dont know, then quit. Its not the right oppurtunity for you, which is fine. But don't say that MLM is a "scam", "cult", or "doesn't work", when you know damn well it was YOU who didnt WORK THE BUSINESS. the system works. If "the people at the top" are the only ones making money, then obviously its possible to get to their position if you really take the time to think about it. At some point the people at the top were exactly like you. They just worked hard, found the right people and stayed consistent.
This debate could go on forever, but I've said everything I needed to say on the subject. There's always going to be ignorant people who are going to tell you something can't be done. That's just the way the world is. I understand that no matter what I say your most likely not going to get passed your own bias and see the truth, which is fine. Like i said in my last post: I just wanted to let people out there know that MLM is real and it's here to stay. So dont listen to the doubters out there. Anytime someone says something bad about Network Marketing is just tells you how little information they actually have.
@Jamor Mayor:
You haven't given any references from where one can verify the so called facts...One can find equally strong number of facts-millions of people going bankrupt chasing a financial dream in MLM...
For every person who makes fortune there'll be over 100s of people losing their money, because no money comes from outside the system, but from downlines. If you dont believe, just explain us how you and your downline can earn more money than what you people paid to the system as a team.
When it comes to a job, your employer pays for your skills, not for the money you bring in.
New people joining every year-with all popular MLM companies losing popularity and gaining criticism, people who join will be more cautious and hestitant than ever. When it comes to TV or other products, people buy voluntarily, as they feel like buying it...in MLM you need to struggle a lot to convince someone to join-the overpriced and often useless products sold in mlm-would have no takers if left for sale on its own...
If I am a car sales man, I would try to sell the car by highlighting the features of the car and not by selling a dream that buyers can become millionaire by buying this car and make 2 more people buy it...That's the difference.
All the best
@ Jamor: You say Amway doesn't pay well, but your company-whatever it is, name you are not willing to reveal-pays excellently...How a common man is supposed to distinguish which is bad and which is good? Many of them sign up because of their faith in their friend/relative who introduces them to the plan... When they realize that something is wrong, it will be too late...
@Anon:
Many companies keep some products to cover their pyramid schemes and pose as if they are into pure marketing... With several politicians in their pocket they often manage to get necessary govt approvals...
Many people do not realize the potential damage in initial days, because everything looks good... Only when situation goes out of control they wake up...When Chennai police cracked whip on Questnet, several national level politicians and beaurocrats tried to influence and halt the investigation (TOI, 5th May, Chennai edition, page 2)...
btb you have quoated Europe...What about US where these schemes are banned?
Hi eNidhi ...
After investing in QN, i have been following almost every blogs on Net.. Just to try and stop people from not fall for such stuffs. Thats really a nice analysis.. Great work ... i hope maximum people get the awareness and can be saved from the MLM / NM traps ...
All the best.
Keep up the good work..
excellent!! i agree with everythin u ve said, and great point by point analysis
Thanks Chintan and Pushki for agreeing...
what you said we all networker knows but ignore, thanks to show us a mirror, thanks
@Vipin
Ok...
I'm curious to see your explaination for why the government allows huge tax benefits for people who operate a Network Marketing business if its illegal. Can you explain that?
Mike,
I have not studied this aspect hence no comments as of now.
Please share some authentic reference related to tax exceptions given to MLM companies.
Well, sure... All you have to do is type in "Network Marketing/Homebased business + Tax Advantages" in google and you could come up with hundreds of pages that talk about all the tax benefits you recieve from properly operating a MLM business. You can also contact any accountant that knows what they are talking about and ask about the benefits of owning a MLM business. You could also go straight to the IRS website itself (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98846,00.html) and learn how you can earn these tax benefits.
If your still not sure I would suggest contacting the IRS over the phone and directly asking one of the agents "Can you recieve tax benefits from operating a Network Marketing business?" I'm sure you'll get the answers your looking for. 1-800-829-1040
I know i personally got about $3000 back on my taxes because of my network marketing business. I was able to ride off my gas, offices expenses, and many restaurant dinner expenses ( the ones where I was conducting business) and I've been doing so for the last 4 years.
So, in essence, what im trying to say is I find it very odd that the government would allow me and dozens of other people that I personally know to continue to get these tax benefits every year if what we are doing is illegal.
I dont think that you did a good enough job "analyzing" the Network Marketing industry. While you yourself may not like what people do in MLM (I dont agree with ALOT of what you said, but if thats how you feel thats fine), the fact still remains that Network Marketing IS a legitimate business.
Dear Mike,
I am not a US citizen so not much familiar with local laws. But then, yes, people doing independent business do get tax exceptions on their expenses (Consultants, authors, bloggers who work from home and many more professions are eligible this way-I believe same must have been extended to those associated with network marketing.
Congrats to you for saving $3000 that way.
I never said the network marketing as a whole is illegal. But for sure specific companies are banned in certain countries and in other countries they might be legal, the way it is promoted needs to be checked. If members resort to unethical practice in promoting the business then it is certainly something to worry upon.
Thanks for your comments.
Hande,
In my opinion you, infact, DID call every network marketing company illegal and unethical, hence your title "An Analysis of Network Marketing/MLM Companies". In your analysis of the whole industry you isolated a couple companies and based all of your information on those companies. Thats just like if I were to title an essay "An Analysis of Traditional Businesses" and have Enron as the company i was basing my opinion on.
Network Marketing operates in over 80+ countries around the world, including your own country of India.
And yes, you hit the nail right on the head. Its not the INDUSTRY that is unethical, its the PEOPLE who get involved in the industry that do some of those bad things that cause the problems with people. The Industry itself its excellent, in my opinion. I love the products.
I think most of what Jamar Pryor wrote on your blog is right on the head. You can't really look past what he wrote, my friend.
I HIGHLY encourage you to do a REAL analysis of network marketing instead of speaking on your own opinion. I think that you'll find that there are EXCELLENT network marketing companies out there.
I wish you the best. I'm sure your a really good guy, but i just dont agree with your opinion on MLM.
@ Mike,
I have stated
"In this post, I am presenting my general observations about MLM companies. These are not targeted to any specific company (not yet) and there can be some exceptions/ differences/ deviations w.r.t. some companies."
As long as the network marketing companies do not develop the disturbing characteristics I have listed, do their business without having a pyramid like schemes undercover, survive on the strength of their products and not with a promise of wealth creation to whoever buys them, I have no concerns as such. But most companies develop one or more of the symptoms listed in this post http://www.enidhi.net/2008/05/11-reasons-mlm-companies-go-bad.html and start losing credibility after few years.
Ensuring that people involved never resort to unethical problem is a major problem for these companies and unfortunately many of them are totally ignorant of this. Only when things go out of control they hunt for some scapegoat...
Why don't YOU provide me with a real analysis of network marketing business?
Thanks.
@ Anonymous:
Anonymous comments making personal attacks/abuse will be deleted. Disclose your identity and use a decent language.
@ Srinidhi
fentastic stuff man....very very good. I joined in quest net for qvi club, when i tried to used the membership, I called a resort to book for the vacation which name was mentioned in the qvi club booklet give to me when i purchased it. The resort receptionist said me that they are not part of any qvi club nor www.xchangeworld.com. Then it was confirmed they are FRAUD. QUEST NET is FRAUD as a memeber i say its basically all the networking companies do the same.
One more thing is that i asked the same with quest support team they said I need to pay $150 to book the resort. It was not told when i took the package.....because if it was said then i will thin twice before doing that, and as you said after the presentation that person said the company name, he was hiding the name and told me to do the same.(They call it as good prospecting.)
@Jamar:
Like i said in the last post, there 2 BILLIONAIRES and many MULTI MILLIONAIRES that have a lifetime of business experience and intelligence who say Network Marketing is the best way for the average person to create wealth.
For this statement i would like to ask you sir you are saying there are 2 billionaires that fine and good but tell me how many people they might have cheated to become a billionaires..you haven't told me that....how ignorant your reply was.
One more ignorant answer from my side is all the networking marketing companies will not ask you to be a millionaire they start the company to fool the people and become rich in over night, in their path some customers may become rich. what percentage please you tell me i am weak in maths.
@Srinidhi
Thanks Chintan and Pushki for agreeing...
This is not a point of agree or dis-agree, these are the facts, fact is you are right. Next time tell thank you for supporting me and truth.
@Sudheer,
Thanks for your sharing your experience. There wasn't any comment regarding their holiday business and your comment throws some light on that...
And some people fail to recognize the truth, we cant help it beyond a limit...
Thanks again. yours was 50th comment for this post
Great analysis. I lost a few friends to Amway whom i couldnt stand any longer.
I attended meetings because of these friends and found them to try and whip up hysteria about success stories.
I however do like some of the products they (Amway)sell - they may be expensive but some are real good
But its true - most of them are Ponzi schemes and if you are sucked in late, you need to quit early to minimise losses
Ok, thanks for sharing your experience.
Yes, quit as early as possible. But unfortunately many wont do that. They run in loss (keep spending money buying products and tools) for years without any returns. They believe once they start getting returns it will be exponential...
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